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		<title>2012 Winter Meetings: Everybody waits on Greinke, Dee trade talks, no Ryu progress</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Zack Greinke saga is the story of the Winter Meetings, not only because he&#8217;s the top free agent out there, but also because he&#8217;s holding up the deals of other free agents, as they&#8217;re all waiting on him. Whatever he decides, it figures to be at least borderline historical, as Jon Heyman notes. Strong ...]]></description>
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<p>The <strong>Zack Greinke</strong> saga is the story of the <strong>Winter Meetings</strong>, not only because he&#8217;s the top free agent out there, but also because he&#8217;s holding up the deals of other free agents, as they&#8217;re all waiting on him.</p>
<p>Whatever he decides, it figures to be at least borderline historical, as <strong>Jon Heyman</strong> <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/statuses/276419020507451393" target="_blank">notes</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Strong belief by people close to situation is greinke can beat cc sabathia $161M record deal if desires. #dodgers #rangers</p></blockquote>
<p>But who&#8217;s in the lead now? <strong>Jayson Stark</strong> <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/276354828844797952" target="_blank">says</a> the talk revolves around the <strong>Rangers</strong>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>The big buzz this morning at the winter meetings is: Watch out for Texas on Zack Greinke.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;and <strong>Joel Sherman</strong> <a href="https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/statuses/276498817631809536" target="_blank">gives</a> a potential reason why Greinke might be leaning that way.</p>
<blockquote><p>Told Greinke&#8217;s wife is former Dall #Cowboys cheerleader and could influence desire get back to Tex. score1 for #Rangers</p></blockquote>
<p>The <strong>Nationals</strong> are out of the sweepstakes thanks to their <strong>Dan Haren</strong> acquisition, and the <strong>Angels</strong> are assumed to be out of it as well due to price concerns, <a href="https://twitter.com/DKnobler/statuses/276454835992285185" target="_blank">according</a> to <strong>Danny Knobler</strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p>With Greinke bidding heading to $160 million and perhaps beyond, one Angels person said: &#8220;That&#8217;s going to blow us out of the water.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Additionally, they just <a href="https://twitter.com/MLB/statuses/276487689044365313" target="_blank">added</a> <strong>Joe Blanton</strong> to their rotation.</p>
<p><strong>Ken Gurnick</strong> <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121205&#038;content_id=40546992" target="_blank">reports</a> that Greinke&#8217;s personal fingerprints appear to be all over the negotiations.</p>
<blockquote><p>The speculation is that Greinke, and not Close, is orchestrating the leisurely pace of negotiations, which has log-jammed the free-agent market for pitchers. The 29-year-old Greinke could wind up with a contract bigger than CC Sabathia&#8217;s record for a pitcher of seven years and $161 million.</p></blockquote>
<p>Reading between the lines a little, this could mean that the money is close enough where it boils down to personal matters, which could lead him to stray away from the <strong>Dodgers</strong> and the most money. It could also be the reason <strong>Josh Hamilton</strong> to the <strong>Mariners</strong> talks have picked up, as his agent might sense the Rangers will be out of the market for him.</p>
<p>Hopefully not, but the reports yesterday certainly weren&#8217;t as <a href="http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2012/12/winter-meetings-2012-ryu-offer-rejected-greinkes-price-up-capuanoharanguribe-shopped/" target="_blank">optimistic for the team as the day before</a>.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Those <strong>Dee Gordon</strong> rumors from yesterday? Well apparently they <a href="https://twitter.com/DKnobler/statuses/276435589711142912" target="_blank">have some legs</a>, and <strong>Jon Paul Morosi</strong>/<strong>Ken Rosenthal</strong> report that <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/statuses/276446788871933952" target="_blank">the <strong>Indians</strong> are in</a>.</p>
<p>I <a href="http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2012/12/winter-meetings-2012-ryu-offer-rejected-greinkes-price-up-capuanoharanguribe-shopped/" target="_blank">looked at the Mariners roster yesterday</a> to find a potential fit in a trade, but for the Indians I don&#8217;t see a clear-cut fit for the Dodgers current roster. I&#8217;m hoping it doesn&#8217;t involve <strong>Ubaldo Jimenez</strong>.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>As for <strong>Hyun Jin Ryu</strong>, <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121205&#038;content_id=40546992" target="_blank">yesterday</a> was just <a href="http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2012/12/winter-meetings-2012-ryu-offer-rejected-greinkes-price-up-capuanoharanguribe-shopped/" target="_blank">a continuation of the day before</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Nor would Colletti say if he felt he was closer to a deal for Korean free-agent pitcher Ryu Hyun-jin.</p>
<p>&#8220;I just feel closer to Sunday,&#8221; Colletti said, because at 2 p.m. PT Sunday the Dodgers must either have a deal with Ryu or he returns to Korea.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oddly enough, I think <strong>Jim Bowden</strong>&#8216;s thoughts most accurately reflects reality.</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Dodgers not worried about negotiations w Ryu&#8230; they know Boras style &amp; will wait until Sunday Deadline to bear down with him &amp; get it done</p>
<p>&mdash; JIM BOWDEN (@JimBowdenESPNxm) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimBowdenESPNxm/status/276483453359374336" data-datetime="2012-12-06T00:29:26+00:00">December 6, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
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<p>Though I would be lying if I said <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121205&#038;content_id=40546992" target="_blank">I didn&#8217;t cringe</a> when <strong>Scott Boras</strong> started comparing him and his impending contract to <strong>Daisuke Matsuzaka</strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We have standards that all of us agree the guy is a No. 3 starter in the Major Leagues,&#8221; Boras said Wednesday. &#8220;And past practices, negotiations that we&#8217;ve done for [Daisuke] Matsuzaka, at that time Matsuzaka got paid [$52 million, six years] like he was a No. 3 pitcher in the big leagues. We think very highly of Ryu.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>1) Expecting that contract is ridiculous to me.</p>
<p>2) Why would he ever want to associate an Asian pitcher&#8217;s potential career with that of Daisuke Matsuzaka?</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>The Dodgers do need a lefty reliever in the pen for next year, and with <strong>Randy Choate</strong> now off the board, <strong>Mike Petriello</strong> <a href="https://twitter.com/mike_petriello/statuses/276456135479943168" target="_blank">brings up</a> <strong>Matt Thornton</strong>&#8216;s name.</p>
<blockquote><p>With LH RP dropping off the board, #Dodgers will probably need to get one via trade. One rumored possibility: Matt Thornton of Chicago.</p></blockquote>
<p>Would have loved this idea three or four years ago, but he&#8217;s now on a three-year negative trend, is going to be 36, and his stuff diminishing is becoming an annual event.</p>
<p>Still a better option than signing Choate for three years, but not exactly a guy you want to give up meaningful assets to acquire.</p>
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