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		<title>Trade Rumors: Dodgers On Dempster, Greinke, Johnson, Shields, Pence, Victorino, Morneau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Moriyama</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[GM Ned Colletti says the Dodgers are far from done after landing Hanley Ramirez, as they still want a starter and a bat. The Dodgers landed the middle-of-the-order bat they&#8217;ve been looking for in Hanley Ramirez, but general manager Ned Colletti on Wednesday said he&#8217;s still looking for a starting pitcher and another hitter. &#8220;We&#8217;re ...]]></description>
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<p>GM <strong>Ned Colletti</strong> <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120725&#038;content_id=35551530" target="_blank">says</a> the <strong>Dodgers</strong> are far from done <a href="http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2012/07/trade-analysis-dodgers-acquire-hanley-ramirezrandy-choate-for-nate-eovaldiscott-mcgough/" target="_blank">after landing <strong>Hanley Ramirez</strong></a>, as they still want a starter and a bat.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers landed the middle-of-the-order bat they&#8217;ve been looking for in Hanley Ramirez, but general manager Ned Colletti on Wednesday said he&#8217;s still looking for a starting pitcher and another hitter.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re still hunting for starting pitching. We won&#8217;t let this deal stand in the way of that,&#8221; said the general manager, who dealt starting pitcher Nathan Eovaldi and Minor League pitcher Scott McGough to the Marlins for Ramirez and left-handed reliever Randy Choate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Completely makes sense, but who? Hence the mess of rumors to follow.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p><u><strong>Ryan Dempster Dumpster Fire Of Rumors</strong></u></p>
<p>Yesterday, it was widely reported that the Dodgers <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/ryan-dempster-rumors-wednesday-1.html" target="_blank">were</a> the front-runners for <strong>Ryan Dempster</strong> and that the team was confident they could land him.</p>
<blockquote><p>A trade between the Dodgers and Cubs still seems “realistic,” Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers have the upper hand in talks with the Cubs, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers are feeling increasingly confident that they can work out a deal for Dempster, ESPN.com&#8217;s Buster Olney tweets. The Cubs don&#8217;t have many alternatives given Dempster&#8217;s interest in playing for L.A. and his no-trade protection.</p></blockquote>
<p>Today, it has been <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/ryan-dempster-rumors-thursday-1.html" target="_blank">more of the same</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers and Cubs continue talking and &#8220;might&#8221; be getting closer to a deal involving Dempster, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Rival executives say the Dodgers are projecting an air of optimism about their chances of obtaining Dempster, ESPN.com&#8217;s Jayson Stark reports (on Twitter).</p></blockquote>
<p>There seems to be a consensus on his destination, which makes sense since he&#8217;s all but said it&#8217;s the only place he&#8217;ll go at this point.</p>
<p>I had no problem with acquiring Dempster, because I figured he would be the upgrade that would come the cheapest for the team. That is, until I saw this tweeted:</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Source: <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%2523Cubs">#Cubs</a> have asked <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%2523Dodgers">#Dodgers</a> for Allen Webster as primary piece in Ryan Dempster talks.</p>
<p>&mdash; Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/227968874455388161" data-datetime="2012-07-25T03:29:49+00:00">July 25, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Uh &#8230; yeah &#8230; no thanks.</p>
<p>I thought <a href="http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2012/07/dodgers-have-deal-on-table-for-ryan-dempster-involving-two-pitching-prospects/" target="_blank">the price</a> was supposed to go down as they lose leverage, not up.</p>
<p><strong>Allen Webster</strong> is a more advanced version of <strong>Garrett Gould</strong> with better velocity.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p><strong>Danny Knobler</strong> of <strong>CBS Sports</strong> <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/rangers-dodgers-pursuing-james-shields.html" target="_blank">reports</a> that the availability of <strong>James Shields</strong> has drawn interest.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Angels aren’t the only team in pursuit of James Shields. The Rangers and Dodgers have also made the Rays trade offers for the right-hander, Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com reports.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Jon Paul Morosi</strong> of <strong>Fox Sports</strong> <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/ryan-dempster-rumors-wednesday-1.html" target="_blank">says</a> the Dodgers have alternatives to Dempster in &#8230; uh &#8230; vastly superior pitchers.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers have Zack Greinke and Josh Johnson on their list in case they don&#8217;t trade for Dempster, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets.</p></blockquote>
<p>Odd but okay.</p>
<p><strong>Jayson Stark</strong> of <strong>ESPN</strong> <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/stark-on-marlins-phillies-dodgers-garza-twins.html" target="_blank">reports</a> that the Dodgers are in on basically every starting pitcher on the market.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers are in on a number of starting pitchers, including Nolasco, Blanton, Kevin Millwood, and Jason Vargas in addition to Ryan Dempster and Matt Garza. They&#8217;ve also checked in on outfield and first base help, including Victorino and Justin Morneau.</p></blockquote>
<p>The team is also looking at outfield and first base, which wouldn&#8217;t surprise <strong>Ken Rosenthal</strong>.</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Source: <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%2523Dodgers">#Dodgers</a> deal for Victorino or Pence possible even if team gets Dempster along with H. Ramirez. LA has been in talks with <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%2523Phillies">#Phillies</a>.</p>
<p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/228145145290309632" data-datetime="2012-07-25T15:10:16+00:00">July 25, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>In terms of pitching, I&#8217;m sort of at the point now where if the Dodgers don&#8217;t swing a trade for an elite arm, I&#8217;d rather they just do nothing. If Dempster is seriously going to command at least a top five prospect in the system, why bother? With <strong>Ted Lilly</strong> on his way back, the team has five starters, and <strong>John Ely</strong>, <strong>Stephen Fife</strong>, and Webster wait in the minors.</p>
<p>As far as the bats go, I&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2012/07/trade-rumors-dodgers-on-ryan-dempster-shane-victorino-jimmy-rollins/" target="_blank">already explained why I&#8217;d rather the team</a> not acquire <strong>Shane Victorino</strong>, and <strong>Justin Morneau</strong>&#8216;s 0.0 WAR line of .253/.314/.437/.751 doesn&#8217;t impress me. The only name that&#8217;s intriguing is <strong>Hunter Pence</strong>. His .267/.334/.447/.781 line isn&#8217;t impressive, but he&#8217;s a ~3 WAR player that would represent a meaningful upgrade.</p>
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