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		<title>2012 Winter Meetings: Ryu offer rejected, Greinke&#8217;s price up, Capuano/Harang/Uribe shopped</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Moriyama</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Dodgers made an offer to Hyun Jin Ryu, but it was rejected by Scott Boras, according to Ned Colletti. The Dodgers made a long-term offer to Korean pitcher Ryu Hyun-jin on Tuesday, but it was rejected by agent Scott Boras. &#8220;Predictably, it fell a tad short,&#8221; said general manager Ned Colletti. The Dodgers have ...]]></description>
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<p>The <strong>Dodgers</strong> <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121204&#038;content_id=40528246" target="_blank">made an offer</a> to <strong>Hyun Jin Ryu</strong>, but it was rejected by <strong>Scott Boras</strong>, according to <strong>Ned Colletti</strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers made a long-term offer to Korean pitcher Ryu Hyun-jin on Tuesday, but it was rejected by agent Scott Boras.</p>
<p>&#8220;Predictably, it fell a tad short,&#8221; said general manager Ned Colletti.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers have until Sunday to sign Ryu or they lose exclusive negotiating rights and their $25.7 million posting fee is refunded.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re debating our next step,&#8221; said Colletti. &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe we&#8217;re close right now.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2012/12/2012-winter-meetings-greinke-talk-posturing-on-ryu-dickey-shields-among-targets/" target="_blank">As I said yesterday</a>, I still think this is all posturing by both sides to get the best deal possible.</p>
<p>For <a href="http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgersnow/la-sp-dn-dodgers-offer-to-ryu-hyunjin-rejected-20121204,0,7524799.story " target="_blank">his part</a>, Boras later clarified the situation to <strong>Dylan Hernandez</strong>.</p>
<blockquote>[Updated at 5:35 p.m.: Ryu's agent, Scott Boras, said he presented the Dodgers with a counteroffer. "We exchanged offers, and negotiations continue," Boras said.]
<p>Boras, said his client should be compensated like a major league No. 3 starter. So, presumably, he’s looking for something in the $50-million range. [Updated at 9:45 p.m.: This estimate was high, according to a person familiar with the discussions.]</blockquote>
<p>The reasons for the Dodgers wanting to wait should be obvious, because if they sign <strong>Zack Greinke</strong> and trade for <strong>James Shields</strong> or something of the sort, then their leverage in negotiations with Ryu becomes extremely one-sided.</p>
<p>For now? Just have to wait it out.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Speaking of Greinke, the Dodgers and <strong>Rangers</strong> are <a href="http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/21265126/rangers-dodgers-believed-to-be-battling-for-greinke-at-moment " target="_blank">apparently in a bidding war</a> of sorts, according to <strong>Jon Heyman</strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers have been viewed as a fairly clear favorite for Greinke, but Texas is showing signs of determination, according to major-league sources.</p>
<p>The Dodgers are seen as having an almost unlimited payroll, but people familiar with the happenings now suggest the derby could go either way. Not many teams could hope to go dollar-for-dollar against the Dodgers, but the Rangers are trying to do just that.</p>
<p>The bidding is said by major-league officials to be &#8220;quite high&#8221; now, with two people pegging the dollar amount at about $160 million. And that&#8217;s with the deal not done yet. There seems an extreme likelhood now that Greinke will not only set a record for righthanded pitcher but for any pitcher, which is currently held by CC Sabathia, who signed for $161 million and seven years with the Yankees.</p>
<p>Some have suggested they could even see the Greinke deal reaching toward the $175-million mark.</p></blockquote>
<p>This situation, however, could be severely impacted by the Rangers negotiations with <strong>Josh Hamilton</strong>, according to <strong>Danny Knobler</strong>, as <a href="http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/21268369/for-the-rangers-its-likely-greinke-or-hamilton-not-greinke-and-hamilton" target="_blank">they probably won&#8217;t sign both</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>But one scenario they don&#8217;t see happening, according to sources, is a double free-agent signing of both Greinke and Hamilton.</p></blockquote>
<p>And they certainly seem on pace to sign one or the other, <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/rangers-rumors-hamilton-greinke.html " target="_blank">according</a> to <strong>Ken Rosenthal</strong>.</p>
<p>For his part, <strong>Jon Paul Morosi</strong> is of <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/statuses/276099633544036352" target="_blank">the belief</a> that the Dodgers are the clear favorite, while <strong>Bill Shaikin</strong> <a href="https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/statuses/276108686466875393" target="_blank">adds</a> that this drama may not be over by the time the <strong>Winter Meetings</strong> conclude.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Connected to Greinke in a way, the Dodgers are <a href="https://twitter.com/pgammo/statuses/276128573377613825 " target="_blank">apparently shopping</a> <strong>Chris Capuano</strong> and <strong>Aaron Harang</strong> <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/statuses/276084118498979840" target="_blank">to whoever</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>One exec says &#8220;Dodgers shopping Capuano and Harang around lobby. Greinke and Rhu, or Greinke and Sanchez or Dempster?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>#Dodgers becoming aggressive in shopping Harang and Capuano, source says. Could be a sign of confidence in landing Zack Greinke. @MLBONFOX</p></blockquote>
<p>I doubt either of them would be hard to deal at any point in the off-season. Both are on short-term deals, the Dodgers could eat money if necessary, and the return demands probably won&#8217;t be significant.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p><u><strong>COMEDY BREAK</strong></u></p>
<p>The Dodgers are running around <a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/dodger-report/post/_/id/3411/dodgers-shopping-juan-uribe" target="_blank">shopping</a> <strong>Juan Uribe</strong>!</p>
<blockquote><p>One of the agendas the Dodgers are pushing aggressively in the lobby is to find a trade partner to take utility infielder Juan Uribe. Needless to say, the Dodgers are garnering little interest unless they&#8217;re willing to pay his entire contract. Uribe, who has batted .199 the past two seasons combined, is entering the final year of a three-year, $21 million contract.</p></blockquote>
<p>What a disaster.</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Asked an MLB official if <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Dodgers">#Dodgers</a> might be able to interest <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Yankees">#Yankees</a> in Juan Uribe with A-Rod injured. The guy chuckled.</p>
<p>&mdash; Bill Shaikin (@BillShaikin) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/276068986679091200" data-datetime="2012-12-04T21:02:30+00:00">December 4, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s become a punchline, as it should, really.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p><strong>Dee Gordon</strong> <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/mariners-interested-in-dee-gordon.html" target="_blank">appears to be</a> a popular target for teams, including the <strong>Mariners</strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Dodgers are fielding tons of inquiries on shortstop Dee Gordon, tweets Scott Miller of CBS Sports, though they&#8217;re not looking to deal him.  The Mariners are among the teams hitting the Dodgers hard on Gordon, tweets Miller.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve given <a href="http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2012/12/winter-meetings-shohei-otanis-second-thoughts-dee-gordon-shopped-james-loney-signs/" target="_blank">my thoughts on Dee previously</a>, though I&#8217;m not sure what the Mariners have that the Dodgers want.</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not <strong>Felix Hernandez</strong>. Stop.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking more along the lines of <strong>Kyle Seager</strong>, <strong>Corey Seager</strong>&#8216;s older brother. The Mariners have <strong>Alex Liddi</strong> and <strong>Vinnie Catricala</strong>.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Perhaps the <strong>R.A. Dickey</strong> rumors have some legs after all?</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Hearing Dodgers thinking big, have strong interest in Dickey even if they sign Grienke. But they don&#8217;t have good young OF to trade.</p>
<p>&mdash; John Harper (@NYDNHarper) <a href="https://twitter.com/NYDNHarper/status/276075183612239873" data-datetime="2012-12-04T21:27:07+00:00">December 4, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Source says Mets could get speedy SS Dee Gordon and top pitching prospect Zach Lee from Dodgers for Dickey. But that doesn&#8217;t help OF.</p>
<p>&mdash; John Harper (@NYDNHarper) <a href="https://twitter.com/NYDNHarper/status/276076782808076288" data-datetime="2012-12-04T21:33:28+00:00">December 4, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
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<p>That would be &#8230; a lot for a rental.</p>
<p>Still not sure I buy the interest as legit either. Not yet, at least.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>In interest of filling out their bench, the Dodgers are apparently <a href="https://twitter.com/DKnobler/statuses/276124475341291521" target="_blank">interested in trading</a> for <strong>Skip Schumaker</strong>, according to Danny Knobler.</p>
<p>He plays second, left field, center field, and right field, so there&#8217;s versatility there, but he&#8217;s a terrible defender at second, a bad one in center, and just solid-average in the corners. Over the last three seasons, since he turned 30, he&#8217;s had an OPS+ of 88.</p>
<p>Not so thrilled, really.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Oh, and Colletti <a href="https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/statuses/276105195233087488" target="_blank">shot down</a> those <a href="http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2012/12/winter-meetings-2012-greinke-looks-anibal-in-reserve-sorianolowe-relief-options-ss3b/" target="_blank">rumors from yesterday</a> about them seeking starters at SS/3B. But there&#8217;s no reason to think he&#8217;s being truthful either.</p>
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