
I’ve already been wrong before about the Dodgers ownership and their willingness to spend. I figured they would be willing to open up the checkbook, but assumed they would stop short of the luxury tax, much like the Yankees have tried to do in recent years. Instead? They have blown that limit away and now project to enter 2013 with the highest payroll in MLB history.
As such, I understand when analysts and fans cite an unlimited payroll and assume the Dodgers could acquire anybody at any time. After all, who besides Steve Dilbeck legitimately thought the Adrian Gonzalez/Carl Crawford/Josh Beckett deal was remotely realistic, much less likely? Still, what I find disturbing is this new rhetoric going around where the Dodgers have so much money to blow that payroll efficiency and management has now been rendered unnecessary.
Not only are they assuming that the Dodgers have an unlimited payroll, which is a significant assumption in itself, but also that the lack of payroll restrictions will exist for an indefinite amount of time far into the future.
If that were true though, then why not seriously go out and sign Zack Greinke, Hiroki Kuroda, Anibal Sanchez, Josh Hamilton, Michael Bourn, and Mike Napoli?
“Oh you’re just being facetious.”
No, I’m being dead serious. If there literally was no limit to the wealth, then why not? All of the mentioned players would help upgrade the current roster, would they not? So if money isn’t an object, just designate players to clear room and sign them all. Then offer Andre Ethier, Yasiel Puig, and Zach Lee plus their entire contracts to the Mets for David Wright and then re-sign him for 10 years.
The reason why you’re probably saying that I’m nuts right now is because you know in reality that the payroll isn’t actually unlimited, we just haven’t seen what it is yet. As such, I stick with my assumption that there is a cap in mind and that it still needs to be managed on some level. The higher payroll provides the advantage of being able to fill holes with elite players in case the farm system is bereft of them, as the team is able to absorb the risk that other teams cannot. However, while overpays are to be expected in certain cases, what exactly is the point of overpaying average players?
Like on the Brandon League deal I see a lot of people going with the logic of “yeah, he’s not worth that much, but the payroll is unlimited anyway”. Well where would be your limit? I fail to understand where people would draw the line in these cases. Why not five years and $40 million? What difference does it make under the unlimited payroll logic? Five years and $75 million? There’s no end to it, really.
The rationale just doesn’t make sense to me. It’s the same train of thought as “well he’s better than James Loney” or “well he’s better than Juan Uribe”.
GREAT.
It’s a $200 million team, at what point does that stop being an excuse?
Now I understand that the instinct is to be optimistic, especially coming off the Frank McCourt ownership. I get it, perhaps more than most do, but I also feel that because there’s been no consequences for the team’s actions as of yet, people are getting way too deep into the forest made out of money to see the trees. It’s as if reality has been temporarily suspended and we all moved to this fairy tale land where spending money inefficiently has no consequences. And here I am, with my hand meekly raised, simply inquiring when that has EVER been true in baseball.
Then again, that’s just the conservative approach to things, and the Dodgers have blown past my assumptions before.
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I am sure there is a cap in mind. Our new owners are too good with money for us to assume there is none and I think that you are right that these deals are a bit foolish.
I do appreciate that Boston ate the first couple of years on some of these massive deals and I do think that Kasten and his new team wants to rebuild the farm system which is his real strength…
The new ownership wanted to make a splash right away though and may have felt that they needed borderline reckless deals to make up for years of McCourt’s neglect that had left the team and farm system very weak.
I guess what I am saying is that I do not believe that it is a permanent strategy… rather a way for them to jump start the excitement in advance of a big TV deal.
We shall see, I suppose.
Though it’s worth noting that the system was stronger when they arrived than it is now.
True. I was disappointed with how many prospects we gave up in addition to the salary we took on.
I was just disappointed with the prospects. The salary I understand to an extent.
I sure am excited for Brandon fucking League and Josh Beckett.
What about Adrian Gonzalez? And Josh Beckett’s ERA with us was under 3, I’ll take that any day.
You’re just being pessimistic for the sake of it.
And Adrian Gonzalez’s OPS with us was under .800. It cuts both ways. In any case, the point is that you can’t continue to excuse bad decisions by appealing to some non-existent urgency or even necessity to “make a splash.”
The Dodgers made good additions and because of this, i think we’re the team to beat in our division next year even if we stand pat.
And that’s because of new ownership.
And?
They’re spending $200 million, if they’re not favorites to win the World Series, something is wrong.
And I don’t think they are.
This isn’t about the ownership.
Adrian Gonzales + Carl Crawford + Josh Becket + Hanley Ramirez + Brandon League > James Loney + Juan Rivera + Nathan Eovaldi + a couple of minor leaguers. What’s so difficult to understand about that? How much money it cost is irrelevant. The Dodgers now have a base to work from and cash to improve it further.
Money and cost are never irrelevant.
That’s not a very high standard, honestly.
It costs cash and assets either way, and there are other ways of using both.
They should be fine, it’s just not efficient is all.
And let’s stop giving the new ownership a pass for the Frank McCourt strawman. At some point, you just can’t sign a middle reliever for $21 mil. and blame that on Frank McCourt.
“You guys are just being negative!” Did you watch September? I can easily see this team flopping again in 2013 (esp. without Chad and if a big pitcher FA isn’t signed) and then how do you look if it’s a $200 M team? With new ownership my wish was just to be under the luxury tax, just because you have the money doesn’t mean you should spend like an idiot. Even the big east coast teams are now trying to get under it and the new rules just highlight why
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-effects-of-the-luxury-tax/
Plus we all know the best teams have a core of young homegrown players, hopefully they can take it down a notch in a few years.
Well that’s the thing.
The money I understand. They want to win now. I’m good with that, obviously.
But it’s impossible to sustain the team by just constantly signing expensive free agents. The teams who put out a quality squad year after year do so from within, even if that means trading for prospects instead of trading them away.
Factitious? You mean facetious? :o
Spell check.
Thanks.